Questions monarchists have for Everyone else

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Note: these questions are a compilation of mop many different monarchist all of which believe different ideals and have different opinions on how the state should be run however all work together on restoring what we believe to be the true form of government. So if there are questions that seem self contradicting remember that the most likely from two different people?

Why do you not support monarchy if this was the most common system for most of human history and why was the first true governments monarchy?

Why do you call monarchy outdated and behind the times the the concepts of democracy and republicanism ar from the times of the ancient greeks. How is one legitimate and the other is not?
Why are you against monarchy if your dynasty is not influenced by traitors (commies e.g.) but your government is?

How can you claim to be Christian or religious in some cases if you’re not a monarchist?

How can you claim democracy and market systems are just when they have higher taxes and higher poverty rates than monarchist feudal states? And why have they been so much less competent monarchs?

To all you liberals and quote “sceptics” why do you wish to defend European culture and traditions when the ideas you advocate for whether that be democracy or republicanism
Why do Also part of the problem of what has caused
This declining European culture?

Why do you support capitalism after every instance has led to the classes below the bourgeois to suffer?

Why do you support communism Despite all the failed states, all the people from the countries who have risked their lives to escape and say how bad it is and all the people who have fought and died to make sure their countries are not Communist And all the statistical death counts. And how come you still seem to think that everyone is being illogical?

What does liberty and tyranny mean to you, and And how do you think democracy is any protection against tyranny?

If he is so bad that how come people throughout history have labelled many many monarchs as great or powerful or just. If you look at the list of people named the great next to all of them are monarchs how come there’s no presidents who have been called that?

Do you honestly believe that fighting against human nature is a good idea?

Why is it that people always like to believe that democracy is great yet seem to forget all of the dictators who have come to power regarding it?

If you hate monarchs for their evil actions outcome many monarchs rarely have death accounts that rise into the millions with a few exceptions Whereas modern despots somehow managed to get millions of people killed on an industrial scale and somehow many get them a free pass?

Why is democracy and republicanism the be all end all of government And any other method besides it is treated as incapable despite history showing the opposite?

If monarchy has been so anti progress then how come in many cases monarchs have pushed the most technological advancement? For example Catherine the great  was able to popularise inoculations in Russia And royal support Was able to get slavery banned in the UK and the Empire beyond?
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1-Why do you not support monarchy if this was the most common system for most of human history and why was the first true governments monarchy?

Monarchy was ok back in its days. Our society has evolved and the governments have evolved with it.

2-Why do you call monarchy outdated and behind the times the the concepts of democracy and republicanism ar from the times of the ancient greeks. How is one legitimate and the other is not?

Our concept of democracy is not the same that the greeks had (I wouldn't call democratic a country with slaves or without separation of powers). Legitimacy comes from the consent of the governed, and democracy is better at changing governments that have lost it (I prefer an election than a civil war or a coup d'etat).

3-Why are you against monarchy if your dynasty is not influenced by traitors (commies e.g.) but your government is?

Carlos IV, Fernando VII, Isabel II, Alfonso XIII... Did I mentioned Fernando VII? 

4-How can you claim to be Christian or religious in some cases if you’re not a monarchist?

I don't see any correlation between being a christian and a monarchist. Also, my religion is something private, not the basis for a state. "To Caesar what is Caesar's, to God what is God's".

5-How can you claim democracy and market systems are just when they have higher taxes and higher poverty rates than monarchist feudal states? And why have they been so much less competent monarchs?

A feudal monarchy didn't provide the same amount of services that a modern country (even the more capitalist) provides: healthcare, police, public education, infraestructure... Or if they provided it, they weren't as complex as are now (just compare a modern profesional army to a feudal one). They just didn't have the needs or the ability to collect so many taxes. I hardly doubt that any country has now worse poverty rates now than back when it was a feudal monarchy.

6-To all you liberals and quote “sceptics” why do you wish to defend European culture and traditions when the ideas you advocate for whether that be democracy or republicanism 
Why do Also part of the problem of what has caused 
This declining European culture?

Democracy and republicanism are part of the European culture, and European culture isn't declining. I mean, it's present in Europe and in european-controlled regions (the Americas, Australia...) and has influence in every other country of the world: lenguages, fashions, religions, politics, art... It's true that one small part of european culture is declining, but I'm happy with that, not everything laveled with the word culture is good.

7-Why do you support capitalism after every instance has led to the classes below the bourgeois to suffer?

Who said I support capitalism? And being capitalist or anti-capitalist doesn't have anythig to do with monarchism.

8-Why do you support communism Despite all the failed states, all the people from the countries who have risked their lives to escape and say how bad it is and all the people who have fought and died to make sure their countries are not Communist And all the statistical death counts. And how come you still seem to think that everyone is being illogical?

Who said I support comunism? And by the way, the Incan Empire was pretty close to a comunist economy.

9-What does liberty and tyranny mean to you, and And how do you think democracy is any protection against tyranny?

Liberty is the ability to live as you want, as long as that doesn't affect the liberty of the others.

A tirany is a system in which the people in charge can impose its dessires and opinions over everybody else. By definition, a democracy cannot be a tirany (unless is corrupted, but then, it would stop being a democracy), because everybody is in charge, in a directly or indirectly. Citizens participate in the process of government and can give their opinions and oppose the decisions made by the government (by protesting, by supporting other alternatives to the current government).

Because restricting the power that the one in charge has is a good way to make sure that he can't abuse it. When it comes to politics, good words and intentions aren't enough. Legal mechanism are needed, and democracy provides them.

10-If he is so bad that how come people throughout history have labelled many many monarchs as great or powerful or just. If you look at the list of people named the great next to all of them are monarchs how come there’s no presidents who have been called that? 

Because there have been a lot of monarchs in history, it's just a matter of statistics. In Spain we have Alfonso X "the wise" of Castille  and Carlos III of Spain, the "best major of Madrid", but we also have Fernando VII, "el felón" (the traitor). As for presidents, Adolfo Suárez, the 1st president of Spanish democracy is a well considered president, even by its critics. And in a more international fashion: George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Mustafá Kemal (despite it's problems with armenians and kurds), Konrad Adenauer, Pierre Trudeau, Benito Juarez, Winston Churchill, Charles De Gaulle... All of them presidents and pretty well considered.

11-Do you honestly believe that fighting against human nature is a good idea?

There is no human nature besides fulfiling natural necesities and looking for hapiness. Nothing to do with politics.

12-Why is it that people always like to believe that democracy is great yet seem to forget all of the dictators who have come to power regarding it?

Mussolini or Primo de Rivera were given power by kings. Democracy is not only a matter of electing a president, but also a matter of division of power, of balance and cheks, of approval for the ones who are governed, things that make difficult for someone to become a dictator. By the way, any absolute monarch is basically a dictator. 

13-If you hate monarchs for their evil actions outcome many monarchs rarely have death accounts that rise into the millions with a few exceptions Whereas modern despots somehow managed to get millions of people killed on an industrial scale and somehow many get them a free pass?

I don't hate monarchs, they did what was considered good in their days. I'm even ok with modern one (there are exceptions, of course, like the Sauds). No medieval monarch could have tried to emulate Hitler because, well, you have said in the question: "industrial scale". They didn't have the technology. But the ones that have it, proved that they could be as genocidal as modern despots: Look at the armenian or herrero genocides.

14-Why is democracy and republicanism the be all end all of government And any other method besides it is treated as incapable despite history showing the opposite?

Because they are. Or maybe not. The same that monarchy worked pretty well in the past, maybe we create something that works better than democracy in the future.

15-If monarchy has been so anti progress then how come in many cases monarchs have pushed the most technological advancement? For example Catherine the great  was able to popularise inoculations in Russia And royal support Was able to get slavery banned in the UK and the Empire beyond?

And for every Catherine the Great, you have a Fernando VII which reinstates the Inquisition or an Alfonso XIII who supports a proto-fascist dictator.